Andrew Tulloch commented on 2018-12-10 19:46
Thanks for the reply Peter, and once again thank you for all of your assistance and encouragement regarding these articles. This response will pretty much be total agreement. Even though as you know (article 626598-11489)
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Thanks for the reply Peter, and once again thank you for all of your assistance and encouragement regarding these articles.

This response will pretty much be total agreement. Even though as you know now that I am sympathetic to IP as a philosophical concept in principle, the examples you point out are indeed events where IP has truly gone too far.

To add to your examples, Maajid Nawaz mentions that reformist Muslims in the Western world are "minorities with the minority", and raises very similar points as you. Ironically, I think when identitarians behave in this way they are actually contradicting their own model. They completely look past the identities of Sarah Haider and Ayann Hirsi Ali as ex-Muslims, and only see their 'Narrative'. In the post-modernist view where all exists in the world is competing narratives, identity becomes irrelevant. This seems to me to be quite at odds with IP. They may retort that it is not only the fact their group is of the Muslim world, but they hold the same shared experiences as a group. However, I would argue that the shared experiences of Haider and Ali are just as legitimate, and need to be recognised as such. They may wish to level charges of 'false-consciousness' and/or 'being an uncle Tom', but such charges appear to me to be playing psychoanalysis on Haider and Ali, other than producing arguments.

So, I guess I am either a 'soft' or 'quasi' identitarian if this is how IP is understood in modern era. And I am left rather torn on whether to attempt to rebuild IP from the ground up, or understand my approach as something other than IP.

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